I make a decision based upon the individual ferret. Certain ferrets I would not in a million years risk without anaesthetic. If they are liable to panic and flip out, that big needle can do an awful lot of damage, so they get a whiff of gas, which is generally quickly and easily metabolised. If we do this, they go on a heatpad the whole time.
If they're chilled out ferrets that won't like it, but will be reasonably sensible, they don't get anaesthetic
All personal preference though, neither way would be wrong, just got to be aware of the pros and cons and decide what is right for the individual.
I have never seen an implant needle are they as big as the microchip needles ? I must confess I have seen plenty of implanted ferrets all around the world on the show circuit they implant them so they will not come into season for the shows ( total lunacy if you ask me ) then in the beginning it was thought oh do implant it will stop adrenal nope it masks symptoms of adrenal next came the well we will have the implant removed and breed next season nope in 99% of the cases who I speak to from all over the world breeding has simply not happened I don't think enough is known about possible problems sure use it on confirmed adrenal cases if it can buy extra time and help them live pain free I am all for it but why put what could be a time bomb into a ferrets body if you are not sure what can happen oops ramble over lol back to putting them in I wondered if it was the size of a microchip needle because my guys cope with that without any problems I just hold the teeth end while the vet implants between the shoulders lol take care bye for now Bev
It's notably bigger than a microchip needle so pretty big. In fact, I often glue the hole left behind in the skin just to feel happy the very expensive implant won't find its way back out again.
IME, I do agree that the implant where I have used it has not prevented adrenal. I purposely did not neuter and implanted Parsley at 11 months old, as his mother had been PTS with a malignant adrenal tumour, to try and prevent adrenal. He was born May 2012. Summer 2014, he started with signs of adrenal, the hair loss, inflamed skin, really aggressive towards his cagemates, another implant fixed that for a time but every 9 months or so he needs another implant as the signs start again. It may be Parsley already had AGD at 11 months? Who knows, but the implant keeps him well for now.
I have implanted his sister also, for the same reason, and not spayed. She was implanted 2014 and no seasons yet. It makes no difference if she never has a season again as she would not be bred, I only ever implant jills that I will never want to breed.
I am now considering implanting one of my jills as she lives happily with an entire hob (who I want to keep entire) so that they don't have to be split at all during the year. She is probably 6 or 7 so will not want to breed her, and would rather implant than spay I think .... having said that I do still neuter some ferrets.
Hi Vicki ann its amazing just how many countries have turned to the implant without knowing exactly what the side effects could be I feel ( my own personal opinion here ) a lot more studies need to be done before it is offered as an alternative to speying how do we know we are not shortening life instead of prolonging it ? and if those who have it in other countries do manage to breed how do they know that there is not a problem being passed along in the parents genes because of the implant like I have said it is only my opinion and I am all for it if it is for the use in a confirmed adrenal ferret to give it a little more time and a comfortable life I personally would never use it ( fingers crossed I have not had an adrenal ferret YET !) take care Bye for now Bev
I do agree with you there. The study set of ferrets used to get licensing was incredibly small if I remember rightly AND it does not have a license for female ferrets, only hobs, bizarrely (even then, only the 9.4mg, not the 4.7mg implant).
I am totally in two minds about it. I see it as spaying is a known risk, and implanting is an unknown risk ... I have also heard of someone who has implanted numerous ferrets prior to neutering to allow them to live in a group and get older before neutering, and this person has lost almost every ferret under anaesthetic when they have gone to be neutered. This person will not be using implants again.
I have never implanted and then neutered ... BUT I have put some of my ferrets under anaesthetic after implanting ... granted with gas only for a short period rather than with a triple/quad combo anaesthetic protocol.
I suppose the trouble I have is that I don't like to separate bonded pairs during rut, so I either implant OR neuter to enable my hobs to have year round company. Pros and cons to this, but it's just my personal preference.
Hi Vicki I am surprised to see it does not have a licence for female ferrets because in other countries I have known males and females being implanted ( as I stated mainly to prevent them coming in season for shows ) and I believe some males and females where implanted in the beginning to see if it could prevent adrenal everyone to there own preference as you say my jills that are too old to be flung around by an amorous vas hob get the jill jab lol old ladies don't need to put up with that type of thing lol take care bye for now Bev
In the US and Canada though the Superlorin/DES implant is used on both sexes it's got no cert to be used as a chemical castration on jills. Over here it's still classified as a controlled untested substance requiring special hoops for the vets to jump in and out of. It's simple paperwork and is usually swiftly approved but requires tracking of the outcome. ciao