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Post by Heather on Dec 17, 2012 21:00:41 GMT -5
Has your wee pups been vaccinated recently? Thuja would help there, there's another that helps vaccinosis detox I can look up as well, I just can't remember it off the top of my head. I used it on my pyr when his immune system crashed. It showed up as major ear infections. He was at the point of surgery to try and repair the damage. He lived on antibiotics from the time he was a pup until I switched him to raw at 3. That was also the last vaccine that was ever given in this house as his allergies took an absolute nose dive at that point. ciao
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Post by Sherry on Dec 17, 2012 23:09:58 GMT -5
Thanks Heather- never even thought of the link between vax and allergic reactions!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 0:03:51 GMT -5
Hi Heather, if you are asking if Luna has been vaccinated lately, know the last time I took her to the vet she stepped on a bit of grass growing up through the sidewalk and ended up with a bald and severly swollen paw/leg and a few houndred $$ in antibiotics, steriods and antihist. At her age I just dont put her through vet visits any more unless I really cant avoid it.
As for my ferts... My vet isnt comfortable treating them, she feels they are too exotic for her but the vet she sent metoo was getting ready to give them the canine distemper and I freaked out and after that and doing a bunch of reading I decided I dont want them getting shots. I only let my husband, mother inlaw and one brother inlaw handle them and I limmit the exposure they have to being outside. I dont like vaccines and had I known more about them when my other animals were young I likely wouldnt have had them done either. I know a few years ago here in the county there was a big todo about vaccines not being kept cold and therefore being no good.
The last outbreak of distemper in my area though was a pretty bad one but that was in 2006. From what I've read (someplace then I think again here maybe) there are 2 new strains of distemper that arent covered by the vaccine anyway.
I think I tend to lean towards the thought that in nature they wouldnt get these vaccines and I think sometimes interferring with one aspect of a natural thing messes up another. Case in point, I love my dog Luna and cant imagine life without her BUT if what the vets have said is true, if my nursing her through what should have ended her life, is what caused her to be so allergy ridden now.. Well I can't help but ask myself if what I did was right for me, or right for her.
I hope that makes sense
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Post by Heather on Dec 18, 2012 0:32:28 GMT -5
Have you take your wee pup or been in contact with a naturalpath. I've heard of people who have nursed their dogs through parvo, who survived and have lived a full and healthy life. There is much that isn't told and you're wearing a lot of blame for saving a life. I'm trying to remember your intro but you said she came to you with parvo...from a rescue? How many times did they stick her first. I know how liberal rescues are with their vaccinations. I've seen them totally destroy a dog's immune system with some of the regimes they practice. Do not blame yourself for saving a life. Not for a moment do I think you're responsible for her lack of immunity and I think that anyone to leads you to believe that by saving her you created this problem. I do have one question though....after she had parvo, was she innoculated against it again or given a parvo or combination vaccination? ciao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 1:58:15 GMT -5
If I remember correctly it was a combo shot, a series of them actually. Within a few months she was set on all her shots then was fixed and had her tracking implant then went swimming, got an infection from the pond water she got in then after that we started seeing worsening reactions from itchy spots to rashes, balding and big swells. For the most part hr stomach, which you would think would be bad, is actually good although she does occasionally go through brief periods of tummy trouble. For the most part it's just very severe skin allergies.
Not sure I understood what you mean by naturalpath.
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Post by Heather on Dec 18, 2012 2:34:50 GMT -5
Some are referred to as homeopaths (though this is only one branch of many) too...naturalpath is often multi-disciplined with one foot in the allopathic field (is a registered vet) but has branched off into homeopathy, herbology, Chinese medicines, acupuncture and other disciplines. One of the problems is that it does indeed sound as though your poor wee one was just overloaded and just lost the battle. The largest organ is our skin and is often the first clue to general health. It is also the most difficult to heal once injured. One thing to mention I did treat my boy with thuja about 5 yrs after the fact and I did see benefit. The first thing I did do though was to switch him over to raw. I don't know what you dare to experiment with your wee one. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 3:07:15 GMT -5
Ahhh ok, I understand now. No we don't have stuff like that where I live not even for people. They likely have it in the city but I'm phobic about cities :/
I don't doubt she would take to a raw diet easily enough as far as getting her to eat it but Im not sure how it would go after that. I have been talking to my husband about switching the ferrets to raw and he is willing to try that. I don't work so stuff that involves changing what we spend on things I always talk to him about. See the ferrets are mine, the cats are his, the dogs are ours he said no to the cats switching to raw and we haven't talked about the dogs switching yet but I think if it goes well with the ferts he might change his mind.
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Post by Sherry on Dec 18, 2012 10:26:52 GMT -5
It can be...interesting...trying to switch cats ;D
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Post by Heather on Dec 18, 2012 11:15:42 GMT -5
I think cats are worse than ferrets Like ferrets they're not very flexible when it comes to their diet but you can't exactly pick up a cat, scruff it and stuff some food in it's mouth. I suppose you can but there will be serious repercussions ;D ciao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 11:15:59 GMT -5
It can be...interesting...trying to switch cats ;D They are 16 and either 14 or 15, the older one is mean to me I mean he is such a turd even though Im the one that saved his life when he was a kitten he will chase me and try to bite me lol. I have to laugh because it can be rather comical. He was given to us as a kitten and we were told he was eating and everything on his own. Turns out he wasn't, wasn't even eliminating without stimulation. You know cats though, they pick their humans and he is definitely my husbands cat. Magic is the younger of the two, we had found him hanging upside down as a kitten with his leg trapped in one of those outdoor plastic chairs, the kind with the slits in the back that start out wide and end up with a narrows gap. we have no idea how long he had hung there and all we can figure is that he must have climbed up on the back somehow and slipped. There had been a stray litter running around the property for a couple weeks at the time. We took him to the vet, got his leg set, it was broken in 2 places, got his shot and got him fixed. After he healed up we found him a home with the condition that if for any reason they couldnt keep him they would let us know and we would take him back. About 5 years ago I got a call that they were getting kittens and wanted to get rid of him :/ I found that sickening and we took him back. I told the woman that one day she would be old and how would she feel if her husband decided to trade her in for a younger versian...we no longer speak but such is life. Anyway he is crazy loveable and Im pretty certain he is a bit beyond mentally challenged. He will get lost behind open doors and cry until he is rescued, it is quite pittiful. He would likely be ey to switch. I have tried switching there kibble from IAMS to wellness core and he (Twilight) simply refused to eat and started dropping wieght, my husband freaked out. Since coming back from Afghanistan he can't handle the thought of our animals mortality or anyone's really. He was a combat medic and I really have to respect his needs in this matter. That being said though I think that when he sees the change in the ferts and if I give the cats raw treats to warm them up to it I think we will be able to switch.... All that being said though, both of them are mousers, we have had 2 mice in the house and they took care of it.
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Post by Heather on Dec 18, 2012 11:49:34 GMT -5
Use meat as treats Cats are great if they think they're getting one up on their humans ;D It will also provide some of the moisture that is being drained from their bodies from eating kibbles. If they're mousers, they're at least a bit flexible. Got to love cats and their "crack in a bag". Ferrets are like that too. If you don't catch them before their first birthday, then you probably are going to have to work a bit to convince them they really don't need those dried up biscuits and they don't need them. The alternative disease (insulinoma) for ferrets is best not dealt with if you can possibly avoid it. Cats seem to suffer renal failure and diabetes from the kibbles. It's sad really. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 16:15:40 GMT -5
Are you in the states? I find hare today to have high quality meats, organs, bones, etc.. Most of the rescue ferrets housed with me are on raw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 16:44:20 GMT -5
I'm in northwestern Virginia
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Post by crazylady on Dec 18, 2012 17:15:21 GMT -5
Hi I have fed raw /whole prey for over 45 years ( as did my father and grandfather before me ) and I can honestly say I have not experienced one case of insulinoma or adrenal ( she says crossing her fingers and touching wood ) there stomach acid is very efficient dealing with any bacteria and I have never experienced worms in a ferret either feeding raw may sound expensive but it can actually work out cheaper ( they eat less for one and get all the added benefits as the meat protien is more satisfying than empty kibbles that they have to constantly eat ) remember cheap cuts are best ( more chewing = cleaner teeth and makes them savour there meal along with making them think lol ) check out local butchers , hunters and big stores for bargains ( often late at night you find special offers of reduced meats perfect for freezing into portion sized meals ) good luck with your switch take care bye for now Bev
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