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Post by shiftyferret on Sept 11, 2012 16:08:01 GMT -5
Otterwoman.... >.<
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Post by Sherry on Sept 11, 2012 17:35:41 GMT -5
Agreed about the egg allergy. Flu shots were pretty much mandatory where I worked(if you didn't and got sick, you received no paid sick days). However you had to show a doctor's slip for an exemption.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 18:42:14 GMT -5
I think I should point out that NO ONE (in the US) should be REQUIRED to get a flu shot. It's not a law.
Patients have a right to refuse anything; Dr, Nurse, Staff, Treatment, medications, etc, anything. If someone gives you crap about it, report them until you get someone who understands.
Medical workers are a different story. No one can force you to get a vaccination but you may not be able to work with your target population. I know a person hired for ICU who couldn't have the vaccination and had to accept a position in another part of the hospital because of the risk to herself and the patients.
If your (non-medical field) employer is requiring it for you, on the basis of withholding your sick days (like in Sherry's example) then that is a case for the ACLU or some such.
~Kelli
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Post by Sherry on Sept 11, 2012 18:56:31 GMT -5
Long term care
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 22:27:32 GMT -5
I don't get the flu shot either.. I've had some nasty stomach viruses but they're rare (I have only vomited once in at least 4 years).
I did get the swine flu though and it was no fun, but...you know, it's gone now and my body recognizes the illness. I had nasty fevers and coughing and did a LOT of sleeping (non stop, literally, and was delirious awake), and that is with a powerful immune system, but I would rather live through being ill than get a shot and get sick anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 22:31:43 GMT -5
I don't get the flu shot because busing have a good immune system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 22:40:38 GMT -5
*because I don't have a good immune system (stupid phone). I have a hard enough time fighting off things that I come into contact with, with out introducing new things.
My mom got the swine flu vaccine and got horribly sick; I got the swine flu and felt better in a few days.
The flu shot is so chancy, and it's not likely that it's going to save you from the flu virus that you'll actually run into.
I agree with letting diseases do their thing at times. Our population is out if control--we don't have the space or the funds. And if we really want to know if a medicine works, we should try it on ourselves; certainly with makeup as well. In the animal world it's survival of the fittest-- why shouldn't it be that way in ours? And what gives us the right to threaten them to help us continue to overpopulate and ruin the world around us?
Sorry-- hot bottom topic!
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Post by acodlin on Sept 11, 2012 22:53:58 GMT -5
It is a hot topic. Tell a mother whos child is dying from cancer that its good population control to let it do its thing. Or a wife who's husband is only 31 and has two young kids, sorry.. population control...Both instances I've seen as a nurse in just a short time. Its easy to say these things until its someone who is close to you. I would rather see a limit on how many children people can have. Instead we encourage it by creating shows about people having 19 kids. People have children everyday that they can't afford and so it becomes my job as a tax payer to pay for them to have health care and food... don't get me wrong either, I don't think ANYONE should be denied those things. However I believe if you can't afford your children, maybe you should think twice before having 2, 3, 4 or more. Birth control isnt hard to get, its free at the health department and planned parenthood.
Either way, animal testing is bad but until we have something else in place its hard to get rid of 100%. I dont think it should be used lightly though. While we are biologically different, you still have animal testing phases before human testing to make it as safe as possible. I don't like it.. I'm a huge animal lover but working in the medical field I can see why its done.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 23:35:05 GMT -5
There are other things lurking in vaccines aside from whatever you are vaccinating against that are risky. They can create allergies, lower your immune system, cause seizures and many other issues that are often not thought to be related to the vaccine bc the symptoms show days or weeks later. Dr's are not good about linking or reporting reactions. Pharmaceutical companies discourage it. I have an excellent immune system, virtually never get sick, haven't missed a day of work since I quit smoking 23 years ago. Once in a blue moon ( like maybe 3 times in the last 6 or 7 years) I feel the hint of a cold coming on, I take a boat load of zinc and vitamin c and wake up in the a.m. with no more symptoms. I never get flu shots or anything else. I take no prescribed meds.For that matter, neither does my 78 yo mother. I think vaccines give people a false sense of security and the potential side effects/risks far outweigh the risk of getting sick or the potential risks if you are sick. Forcing anybody to get a vaccine is against your rights and believing that you are somehow protecting the rest of the public by being vaccinated is nuts bc you can carry germs around just as easily as the unvaccinated. TX and their horrible law on that gardasil vaccine is down right outrageous. I'd move out of the dang state before I would allow my daughter to have such a dangerous and understudied vaccine. Animal testing is a sick and sad reality. I suppose there are times when necessary but the extremes in which they subject inteligent animals is completely out of line. I'm all for research but there has to be some kind of humanity in it or it is just abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 9:12:14 GMT -5
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