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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2012 18:07:37 GMT -5
V hobs are not very common around here vets in the US are not very skilled at performing the surgery. Some are still on the fence about using the implant.
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Post by Heather on Sept 15, 2012 20:23:28 GMT -5
I understand, but why not get a implant? why use a V hob? i find that fissecly and mentally very heavy. It is adviced not to use the implant on breeding ferrets (this is a company directive). So any ferrets who are going to be used for breeding should never be implanted. Placing them with a v-hob or giving a jill jab is the only alternative ciao
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Post by shiftyferret on Sept 16, 2012 8:56:39 GMT -5
I don't intend to breed... but I just want what is healthiest for my future girl. I don't think V-Hob is a realistic option here. So it narrows my choices a little.
I think more and more, I'm looking towards Jill Jabs. I know the hormone treatment isn't the best... but yeah, that's where I'm leaning right now.
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Post by Heather on Sept 16, 2012 17:08:30 GMT -5
I would be inclined to agree with you with the alternative of spaying at a later date. I'm still not comfortable with the data (insufficient) that is available with the DES as a chemical castration. It's an expensive way to go too....though I'm not sure how much a jill jab is over here. I would definitely inform your vet and make sure that he/she can have a shot or two available for you when the time comes. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 8:33:23 GMT -5
Hello everyone! We just adopted a female ferret, and we do not intend on breeding her. He is not in heat yet, here in Romania this time a year days being very short. We are wonder it is possible to "help" her to not begin his rut cycle, by let her see light few ours that a female will need to get into heat? We want to delay this process as long as possible, and only after to spay/ implant her. She has now 7 months and a half. So, the conclusion is: keeping her away from artificial light, and the natural light below to 10 hours per day will be a solution? Thank you! Pixie, RIP Christian Dihor ( CD) Pucca.
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Post by Sherry on Dec 1, 2012 10:58:30 GMT -5
The only way to "delay" is to keep her to her natural cycle. The less this is interfered with the better. As it is, if she is only exposed to the normal amount of daylight hours that would be in nature she shouldn't come into season until around February.
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Post by crazylady on Nov 23, 2014 4:36:59 GMT -5
Hi Artificial light WILL bring her into rutt this is how ferret mills are able to produce litter after litter if you are in winter daylight hours she will be fine until spring BUT she should not have access to artificial light ( playing in your house with the light on ) this will fool her body into thinking it is breeding season and she will come into rutt it is hard keeping indoor ferrets to the natural cycle we tend to forget and turn on the light for say 15 mins here 15 mins there it all adds up and a ferrets body clock becomes confused and thinks oh my more light than dark it must be breeding season ! good luck with your baby take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 14:05:07 GMT -5
See I picked up a couple of male litter mates for exactly this reason, I just didn't know what route to take with a female! I'm thinking...I might in the future adopt an older female though, see how that goes!
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Post by crazylady on Sept 24, 2015 13:36:57 GMT -5
Hi males are the same as females there season is governed by light and temp ( the testes drop when the outside temp rises to a certain level ) normally a male comes into rutt one month before the female hope this helps take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 14:18:43 GMT -5
Rather than talking to us on the forum, I'd suggest giving your ferret-knowledgable vet a call. I very nearly purchased an intact female kit a few months ago and talked on the phone with my vet for about 20minutes going over the pros and cons of my options if I decided to get her. Some vet clinics don't even stock the implants so you'll find your options really are dependant on your vet in any case.
I ended up deciding to pass on her, even though my vet and I decided we were both comfortable experimenting with DES to alter her, because I was worried that introducing a baby to Rolo who is 5.5yrs and adrenal might not go well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 15:31:09 GMT -5
I had some quite odd experiences here. Firstly, adrenal here is not so common, I honestly have rarely heard of ferrents deal with it. In my experience with only 6 ferrets of my own, and 3 that i tried to adopt but ended up only fostering them - the only ferret I had with adrenal was the one I adopted last, who already came with adrenal and is now being treated. I had all my ferrets neutered (close to a year of age). Now for the others, the 3 fosters. The girl was implanted and not spayed, she was 4 and doing fine. One boy has been chemically castrated with DES from his first year of life - and he got adrenal (while ON the DES). Now I know that 9 ferrets' experiencw doesn't mean much to research, there are a lot of factors to this and a lot of research to be done BUT the last case with the ferret that did get it kinda messed up my mind. I was planning on giving all of mine the DES as a preventative, but now I am not certain - and that for the reasons stated by Heather early on, regarding the efficiency of a drug used on a long term when ir if the disease actually shows up. Just thought I'd share this to show how little we still know about it unfortunately
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Post by Sherry on Sept 29, 2015 11:00:58 GMT -5
I wonder if the lad with the des didn't have a malignant tumour on the gland then(adenocarcinoma), as compared to adrenal disease(adrenal cortical disease). The des wouldn't touch it in that case. Kind of how a ferret with pancreatic cancer will show the same symptoms as one with insulinoma, but meds won't stabilize the blood sugars. From what I have read, when ferrets are kept outside in natural lighting it helps to reduce the chances of adrenal even in neutered ferrets. But once brought in under artificial lighting, in combination with neutering, adrenal becomes much more common. Many of the rescues in the UK, Europe, and Australia are starting to notice an increase in both adrenal and insulinoma as husbandry practices change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 12:13:53 GMT -5
The vet said it was not adenocarcinoma, for sure there were no malignant tumours (I went and checked all his records at the vet and discussed his history when he came to me) and that renewal of the implant more often helped with reducing the size of the gland significantly (he now has it renewed after about 9months, compared to a year in the beginning), and is doing fine and controlled very well...
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Post by crazylady on Sept 29, 2015 12:57:39 GMT -5
Hi what sherry is saying is true as ferrets become more of a pet in the uk (instead of a working animal that was always kept outdoors in natural lighting )adrenal and insulinoma is growing a lot of people who keep them in there homes don't want to go down the raw diet route choosing to go for the easy kibble option thinking well my vet says this is best WRONG they also want to play with there animal when they return from work resulting in exposure to artificial light on my travels around the world judging ferrets I came across many who where implanted to stop there season so they could be shown or as a preventative to adrenal there is not enough research as to if it will prevent adrenal and a lot of show owners who eventually wanted to breed found problems when they tried hope this helps take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 10:27:10 GMT -5
All of my ferrets are not neutered to reduce the risk of adrenal, I'd recommend the implant as my first ferret Florence had that and she was health problem free her whole life. Not neutered ferrets can also get adrenal disease but the occurrence is extremely rare, Jasper has adrenal disease and he isn't neutered but he has an implant for the treatment and he's coping fine, I've never used him for breeding so that rare genetic trigger hasn't been passed onto any of my kits that I've bred.
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