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Post by Heather on Jan 16, 2012 23:36:26 GMT -5
I would put my money on the Des implant to deal with the various adrenal issues rather than some vaccine with all sorts of toxins. They're rarely an answer (the des isn't much of an answer either but it's the best alternative). Face it, how is the vaccine going to turn off the adrenal gland of an altered ferret? It's not a disease that you catch, it's a hormonal surge that must be controlled. A vaccine is to boost an immune issue, adrenal isn't an immunity issue.....it's a hormonal issue ciao
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 17, 2012 12:34:03 GMT -5
So I did check through a few pages, but does anyone know when we will see results of the adrenal vaccine testing? Do we know when they hope to bring it to market? Also I'm glad I know about the lighting, at my parent's house every room has huge windows and skylights, so we have tons of natural light even into the evening. BUT, in my apartment at university I have fluorescence bulbs that came with my room, so I need to change that before I move Rolo in :/ on my facebook (sonny piccirillo) there is a woman named Barbara Carlson. you may know her from the Ferrets Pursuit of Excellence documentary on PBS. she is the one who sings the ferret song. anyway, Barb runs a ferret rescue in pennsylvania and many of her ferrets have been involved in the adrenal vaccine study with dr. wagner. if you want details on the study, i would talk to her. also, she may be able to put you in contact with dr. wagner so that you can obtain additional info. Barb says that some of her ferrets that have received the vaccine have developed adrenal anyway. also, there have been vaccine reactions. the point is, I believe that it is still in progress and there is no real empirical data. I was never interested in the adrenal vaccine, but I did ask Barb what some of the results were in her own ferrets. for what it is worth, I will not do the vaccine. I will not risk a bad reaction when I can use deslorelin implants instead. I implanted Sonny at 5 months of age and he was just re-implanted last wednesday. I will continue to do this every january. i have spoken to several good and knowledgeable ferret vets and they all told me this is the way to go for prevention.
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Post by kd on Jan 27, 2012 14:12:27 GMT -5
Hey guys. I don't post much, but I just got home from the vet and today was the first day I heard about the deslorelin implant. Munster was diagnosed with adrenal disease today... he also got his implant today.
My vet (who's also the vet for our zoo and aquarium here), told me her clinic is going to start using the implants as preventative measures. They're a life saving invention!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 17:53:22 GMT -5
you may know her from the Ferrets Pursuit of Excellence documentary on PBS. she is the one who sings the ferret song. thanks for mentioning the name of this - i've been trying to figure out what the documentary was -- my mom's boss mentioned it the other day and I've been trying (unsuccessfully til now!) to figure out what it was!!!! Also -- I've decided that once I go back to work (one week!) and have more moneys I am going to go to the specialist vet with Mr Soxx...just cause hes so old I am so worried bout him
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Post by Heather on Jan 28, 2012 23:00:45 GMT -5
What's wrong with Mr Soxx? ciao
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 23:18:41 GMT -5
I've posted on the subject of the adrenal vaccine before.......it is a true vaccine that elicits an immune response. it's not an "annual hormone shot" (like "preventive lupron")
According to Dr. Wagner (as of the phoenix symposium this year), the adrenal vaccine looks promising, BUT it's so new.....AND I talked to a gal (not Barb Carlson as I've her a few time before) who lost ALL 3 of her ferrets in the vaccine study.
Anyway, a REAL vaccine stimulates the immune system to mount a serious immune attack - other vaccines can trigger serious reactions, and ferret immune systems are delicate.................Honestly, none of my brats would be involved with an adrenal vaccine until there is substantial proof that 1. the vacne works for adrenal prevention 2. It does not result in serious reactions and/or vacccinosis
just my opinion, -jennifer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 22:35:31 GMT -5
So basically, I had a question...if a ferret is already spayed/neutered at like, 12 weeks, does getting the deslorelin actually prevent adrenal? And if a ferret just gets the deslorelin (no spay or neuter), it definitely prevents adrenal? Im kinda confused.
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Post by Heather on Feb 12, 2012 22:55:52 GMT -5
If you're confused you have a right to be. There are no "real" answers only assumptions and risks. We know that DES works for adrenal, no brainer there. We know that DES works for chemical castration, they've been using it on dogs for years. We know that a professor discovered that it could be successfully used to take a ferret out of season. What we don't know for sure is that it will prevent adrenal, it's only an assumption. It does appear that way, but we have no proof that it will work that way long term. The assumption that we're going on right now is that a early alter is implanted with DES as soon as possible, this will prevent adrenal. Does that help at all? ciao
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Post by Sherry on Feb 12, 2012 23:45:21 GMT -5
Add in to that- if a ferret is never altered, odds of adrenal are pretty remote. Even without the des implant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 0:10:54 GMT -5
Okay. That helps out some. So its all just an assumption for now, even though there's ongoing research. I think I'll definitely check into that pronto. I just need to find a vet now for my area. :S None of the vets locally, except for one, deals in "exotics". Im not even sure their exotic dealings include ferrets! :S
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Post by Sherry on Feb 13, 2012 0:31:29 GMT -5
Even if you can find a vet who's willing to "work" with you, and take advice, it would work well.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 20, 2013 0:50:07 GMT -5
Sonny received his 3rd deslo implant last week. he is 2.5 yrs old. we started him on it early (5 months old). So far so good. vet said she treats mostly early neuter MF ferrets. So far none of the ferrets that she has implanted (young) and continued with annual implants have developed ACD. She says she has been using deslo for years now for prevention. this is the 2nd vet who has said this to me BTW. She likes to check hormone levels with the Tenn Panel while on deslo. Edit on August 14, 2021: Sonny passed away in December 2015. 5 years and 4 months. He had a heart problem (congenital) that was not detected. No adrenal tumors or insulinoma symptoms. None found in necropsy. I will continue to implant with deslorelin.
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Post by Heather on Jan 20, 2013 1:47:58 GMT -5
That's fantastic. I'd really love for them to come up with something that would prevent this horrible disease ciao
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Post by Sherry on Jan 20, 2013 11:04:54 GMT -5
Finger's crossed it's at least some part of an answer! Even if it delayed onset til much later then treat with lupron that would be a huge relief.
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