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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 11:32:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the articles, Marie!
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Post by ponyolovesham on May 2, 2011 15:41:18 GMT -5
I'm confused, so far it looks like its a good idea to do the implant?
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Post by miamiferret2 on May 2, 2011 17:07:51 GMT -5
I think its better to do the implant only bc I am completely FED UP with Adrenal disease. So if I can prevent or stall it, then I'm all for implanting.
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Post by miamiferret2 on May 2, 2011 17:10:57 GMT -5
And 4 different ferret vets recommended that I use the implant.
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Post by crazylady on May 2, 2011 17:41:39 GMT -5
Hi Anything that can help stop this horrible disease is good BUT at the moment its all trial and error its not a proven preventative because the studies have not been going on long enough ( I pray to god nothing else materialises because of its use ) I know implants are being used on whole ferrets to stop them coming into season ( I have seen this all over the world at shows I judge at ) I also pray when the time comes to breed from these ferrets nothing shows in the kits or there off spring in future generations all we can do is wait and watch for the results of these trials and remember there is no guarantees I personally pray it is successful with no repercussions to future generations take care bye for now crazy lady
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Post by miamiferret2 on May 2, 2011 18:37:00 GMT -5
I have used lupron (which to my understanding, is basically the same drug as des but its an inferior generic type formula) for years on my adrenal ferrets. No known side effects so far. Then again, I've never seen a side effect with lupron. The problem with lupron is that it has to be given every month to be effective. I would do lupron as a preventive but I am giving the deslorelin a go because who likes to be at the vets once a month.
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Post by joclyn on May 2, 2011 18:55:42 GMT -5
the one almost-sure-fire way to prevent adrenal disease is to NOT desex them...iow, as soon as they've been fixed they 'turn adrenal' even though the resulting symptoms that go along with the condition don't appear for years (the disease still progresses; it's just doesn't manifest with physical symptoms for years and years and, even then, sometimes they never show it outwardly).
that's per dr wagner @ pittsburgh during a talk he gave at the show...i also reconfirmed the statement one-on-one with him.
he also said, whatever you can use that lasts as long as possible would be the route to go. and the des is going to be available in an injectible form within a year (or so). and he's recommending using that vs the des implant as the injectible lasts longer than the implant. i still haven't figured out how that's possible, tho...i may have them reversed tho...
before hearing what he had to say on the subject, i'd already decided to get all mine on the des implants and this was even before my breeder suggested it for oberon next year...only winston is doing anything that indicates he's having issues - all the rest, even those the same age as him, aren't exhibiting anything. i just want to jump on it ahead and try to avert serious issues later since it is a progressive condition with cumulative damage that occurs...i want to curtail it as soon as i can!
i'm planning on getting them all on it within the next few months...even if i have to drive to pitts to accomplish it - it's well worth the extra expenses of hotel room for a couple nights and the gas/tolls.
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Post by miamiferret2 on May 2, 2011 19:03:57 GMT -5
Joclyn, if this works for our altered ferrets then we can report it and hopefully save a lot of future ferrets from suffering from Adrenal disease. I really hope that 10 years from now Adrenal disease in altered ferrets will be something that can be totally prevented. It sounds like one of the milder diseases but it is devastating what the tumors do to ferrets. When I was a kid in Connecticut you could get an unaltered ferret. Not anymore!
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Post by Heather on May 2, 2011 21:55:35 GMT -5
Years ago (and unfortunately, once again I find that I'm dating myself ) you could buy ferrets up here that weren't altered. The one pet store that I used to go to carried both. Marshals kits (altered) and another farm ferret (I have no idea who) who's ferrets were not. The prices were $175 for the marshals and $65 for the unaltered. Within the year of me starting my research they stopped carrying the unaltered stating that they couldn't sell them. Fast forward to now, and seemingly it's against the law to sell unaltered ferrets in the pet stores. Now I don't know if this is fact or not, but this is the claim. ciao
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Post by ponyolovesham on May 2, 2011 22:08:17 GMT -5
I'm definitely gonna implant then, if anything helps our babies then I'm all for it. It seems as though the earlier you implant the better which is why I'm especially glad I'm getting kits
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Post by ponyolovesham on May 2, 2011 22:09:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know if any vets in illinois implant?
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Post by miamiferret2 on May 2, 2011 22:09:54 GMT -5
I implanted Sonny at 5 months. My vet wanted to wait but Dr. Murray told me the earlier the better.
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Post by sherik on May 2, 2011 22:40:10 GMT -5
I totally am for trying the prevention des implants. I had all my guys implanted in January except Fog. He will be getting his though. He is only 4 or 5 months old still. My vet was awesome. It cost me $180 for 5 implants, but she got them for free that time and charged $20 per ferret to implant and $80 for the shipping from australia. Next time it will be $45 per implant she said, just to give you an idea of the mark up some vets charge.
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Post by ponyolovesham on May 2, 2011 23:22:22 GMT -5
Do all vets have to order the implant?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 0:49:36 GMT -5
Most do. Some have them in stock, but the majority don't.
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