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Post by katt on Jul 8, 2011 15:41:08 GMT -5
Yay Nala! Have you been able to find any heart meat in your area? Have you tried Asian markets? Also, you should shoot for 2 new meats this week if you can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 19:36:26 GMT -5
I am sorry I haven't posted, I'm gonna be busy for these next two weeks, all my final papers are due for my summer semester... ugh...
Anyways! Yes, I have found pork and beef heart. And I'll make sure to find two new meats for them to try this week.
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Post by katt on Jul 11, 2011 5:02:52 GMT -5
Ok let me know how it goes. And no worries - I know ALL too well how that goes! So glad I decided to take a year off! I need it! Feed them heart at least 1-2 times a week so that they are getting the taurine that they need. Here are some example menus. Your final menu should look something like these... SUNDAY: AM- Cornish Hen: Wings , rib cage and diced meat PM- elk tendons and commerical Duck patties (pretty sure the Duck patties have bone in them, not sure about organs - yet to pick them up) MONDAY: AM - Organs (chicken liver, hopefully other types of liver, beef organ patties eventually and pork brain - what other organs do they need? spleen? kidney?) And I realize they are going to have nasty poops ;D Do I give a whole bunch of organs at once or alternate them each week? Is it better to split this into two meals? PM - Cornish Hen: Legs, back and diced meat (basically the rest of the cornish hen from Sunday) TUESDAY: AM - Pork Muscle Meat (depending on what I have on hand this will be one or more of the following: pork tenderloin, pork chops, pork ribs - they don't really eat the bones so it counts as muscle meat, pork belly sliced - it looks like unseasoned bacon, the closest thing I could find to what you described) PM - Hearts and chicken necks(Chicken hearts for now, but hopefully I can get pork and beef hearts too) WEDNESDAY: AM - Goat meat (stewing goat chunks/some bone, commercial ground goat/includes organs) PM - Chicken wings and chicken backs THURSDAY: AM - Turkey Necks and split turkey wings PM - Hearts and chicken gizzards(hopefully a different kind of heart from what they had earlier in the week) FRIDAY: AM - Lamb meat and bones (commercial ground lamb/includes organs, and lamb bones to chew on - don't think they can eat these, just suck the marrow out) PM - Whole Quail (bone in) cut into smaller chunksSATURDAY: AM - Hearts (hopefully different from whatever kind of hearts they got earlier in the week - if I could go pork hearts one meal, chicken hearts one meal and beef hearts one meal I think I'd be set and wouldn't have to supplement with Taurine? Or should I get taurine supplements anyways?) PM - Commerical rabbit meat (ground carcass with bone- I too think this includes organs but let me know if you find out) I do want to get Beef in there somewhere too once I can get them eating it. I actually bought veal cutlets and am going to try them with veal first and then work my way up to the beef ;D Also possibly work frozen thawed mice in eventually, but I think for now that's a decent menu? Ohhh.... I totally misunderstood about heart. I thought it fell into the category of 10% organs! I dunno how I missed that. I have not been feeding enough heart then! They have been only getting it about once a week. The market down the street has duck, chicken, and pig heart. I can get some tomorrow. So how does this sound, next week's diet second draft: Monday morning - Mousey (whole, jumbo mice) Monday night - Rabbit legs or ribcage (I forget which I have left) Tuesday morning - Chicken hearts Tuesday night - Chicken wings Wednesday morning - Turkey neck Wednesday night - Turkey back and ribs Thursday morning - Duck hearts Thursday night - Pig heart Friday morning - Pork stew meat, skin & fat Friday night - Pork stew meat, skin & fat Saturday morning - Beef heart Saturday night - Beef heart Sunday morning - Chicken liver Sunday night - Turkey liver and gizzard I noticed the local market has duck feet and head, as well as pig face which appears to have meat, fat, skin, and cartilage. My fuzzes already love eating the bones in chicken feet so I bet duck feet would be a no-brainer. I could incorporate those, to get this: Third draft: Monday morning - Mousey (whole, jumbo mice) Monday night - Rabbit legs or ribcage (I forget which I have left) Tuesday morning - Chicken hearts Tuesday night - Chicken wings Wednesday morning - Turkey neck Wednesday night - Turkey back and ribs Thursday morning - Duck hearts with chicken feet Thursday night - Pig heart with chicken feet Friday morning - Chicken back & breast Friday night - Pig face Saturday morning - Beef heart with duck feet Saturday night - Beef heart with duck feet Sunday morning - Chicken liver & gizzard Sunday night - Turkey liver & gizzard What do you think? Here is a menu. This is based on what is in my fridge now. I'll also be rotating in CGH and freeze dried duck duck and lamb, but I don't have any right now. Monday - chicken wing 2 meals Tuesday - beef chunks 2 meals Wednesday - turkey wing 1 meal heart + liver 1 meal Thursday - chicken back 2 meals Friday - pork chunks 2 meals Saturday - turkey necks 2 meals Sunday - chicken drumstick 1 meal heart + liver 1 meal Just a few examples. The ratios should be roughly (as a reminder) 10-15% bone, 10% organ (at least half liver), and 75-80% muscle meat (including heart, and gizzards).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 22:57:18 GMT -5
Vacations are the best, I am so close to being done, it will be such a relief!
Oh! This is SO helpful, I will definitely take from this. I will also be feeding them heart tomorrow. I will also be getting some new meat soon, can't wait to try it!
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Post by katt on Jul 13, 2011 20:10:46 GMT -5
Cool! Have you looked into Hare Today for organs yet? How much more school do you have and what are you doing atm?
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Post by katt on Jul 16, 2011 12:59:32 GMT -5
Any updates? I am going out of town for a few days, but I should have internet access. Probably won't have time to get on till tomorrow night though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 21:01:58 GMT -5
No problem, everything is going good here. I've given them beef liver and pork tongue and they liked it just fine. I'm sorry I haven't been posting, I have a few more essays due and then I'll be done and have plenty of time to focus more on this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 12:28:36 GMT -5
Update: I found some veal hiding in the market the other day and gave the ferrets some and they loved it!
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Post by katt on Jul 19, 2011 4:31:55 GMT -5
Oo yay! Keep adding more meats. Look for some more organ meat. Also, start working on a menu! You will need to submit a week's menu like I posted earlier in order to graduate. The menu should demonstrate proper rations of bone:muscle:organ and include sufficient heart as well as a good variety.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 11:50:41 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan, I'll get on it!
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Post by katt on Jul 20, 2011 4:33:29 GMT -5
Ok let me know when you have drawn up a menu. I won't rush you just yet bc you are working on your papers, but I'll send you reminders. I know I forget things if I'm not bugged about it In the meanwhile, keep trying to add 2+ new meats a week of you can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 12:05:54 GMT -5
Alrighty, I'll do my best I have less than a week left for school, not too much longer!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 18:01:20 GMT -5
Hey Katt, I finally got a little break time off from my essay's and decided to go ahead and show you what my ferret's menu looks like right now. Tell me what you think and if I should detail it differently. My ferret's menu. This is what I have been using this week but will sometimes sneak to the store and buy a couple more things for them, I love to spoil them! Wolfie's snacks in between are the same as their breakfast. Monday: beef (the different cuts vary), veal, and either chicken or pork Tuesday: gizzards, pork, and veal Wednesday: chicken, gizzards, and beef Thursday: heart (either beef or pork heart, usually beef heart or chicken heart if I can find it), Tilapia, and a little chicken. Friday: liver (usually chicken or beef livers), Saturday: chicken feet, pork, and maybe lamb Sunday: turkey and maybe some chicken How does it sound so far?
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Post by katt on Jul 22, 2011 16:00:01 GMT -5
Well you are going to need more variety if you can get it in, but the basic 3 proteins are covered which is good. Can you repost this in more detail? i.e. "chicken" doesn't tell me much about bone:muscle content. That could be a boneless breast, or a high-in-bone neck, or wings or... see what I mean?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 16:23:49 GMT -5
Sure, no problem!
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