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Post by Dezi on Jan 1, 2020 13:13:21 GMT -5
More questions but I've realized if I have a question someone else probably has the same one.
I was looking at hare today because I have trouble finding a variety of meat types here. One of our stores is really good for heart and liver sometimes kidney. But besides pork beef and chicken Pickings are kinda slim.
Hare todays grinds include organ meat 10% I could do some maths. But I was curious how others have incorporated these grinds into the basic Frankenprey menu
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jan 2, 2020 9:30:27 GMT -5
So right here is how you would do grinds with frankenprey. holisticferretforum.com/natural-diet/raw-diet-the-meat-of-the-site/balancing-frankenprey-with-alternative-meals/Although not called a grind on the chart, you can see the 4 alternative meals listed---like whole prey. I would consider grind number 3. Complete / balanced commercial frozen raw (containing bone, meat, organs & heart) Reading across the chart--- one serving of grind would be considered 1 "alternative meal". Proceed with 8 bone -in meals, 1.5 organ meals, 2 muscle meals, 1.5 heart meals, and 1.5 organ meals for the rest of the week. (If anyone disagrees ----do correct). |
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Post by rosdez31 on Jan 3, 2020 0:48:09 GMT -5
Thank you for that link that chart helps but why doesn't a whole animal grind count as a bone in meal?
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cockneyferret
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Post by cockneyferret on Jan 3, 2020 3:52:02 GMT -5
Frakenprey is all about getting the right proportions, so a bone in meal may give 20% bone (for example), whereas a ground up whole prey may give only 5% bone in the overall amount fed.
Cheers
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Post by rosdez31 on Jan 4, 2020 0:27:53 GMT -5
Ok so as long as the percentage Is high enough it counts? I'm just having trouble finding variety of edible bones. Chicken is plentiful and quail is around some times but those are so similar. Boneless meat heart and liver are easy but "other organs" and bone in is a little tricky. Any suggestions on how much chicken is too much.
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Post by cockneyferret on Jan 4, 2020 4:45:34 GMT -5
I make up individual meals of 55grams each. When these meals are "bone in" I try to maintain around 10-15% bone by weight. Most commercial grinds will list the bone percentage, so if you buy 15% bone grind then that's what you get.
Initially I was concerned about portioning out turkey necks, duck feet, chicken wings etc, as I thought that I would need to judge the right amounts, but soon found that sticking to 55 gram portion sizes it worked.
Never underestimate the power of looking at their poop! I was a little sceptical at first, but keeping a "poop diary" for a week or two is absolutely infallible. Poop tells us so much, but it's power to show you that you have the right amount of bone in their diet is fantastic.
To runny = more bone needed
To hard or chalky = Less bone needed
Formed smooth poops = Correct amount
It's trial and error in many respects, but I found that keeping a poop diary really helped me to zero in on the best diet.
Hope this helps
cheers
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jan 4, 2020 10:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by rosdez31 on Jan 4, 2020 11:02:02 GMT -5
So far my muscle meals have alot of variety. Bison, beef, pork, lamb, turkey, and chicken gizzards. So I'm not so worried about variety per say just over feeding chicken cause it's the only bone in meal always available. The stores here tend to lean toward high end meats. Its a mixed bag because all natural and organic meats are plentiful and affordable, but finding fattier cuts and things still on the bone is a little tricky. Unfortunately hare today doesn't deliver to Washington state. So I'll do some more digging. It looks like mpc does and I know I saw a thread that addresses delivery. I work farmers market days but some of the Farmers are customers so I'm gonna see what I can find. Thanks for all your suggestions.
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Post by mona jordan on Jan 9, 2020 8:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Jan 9, 2020 21:21:00 GMT -5
Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/25488/fitting-grinds-frankenprey#ixzz6AaXabhGOI can see it better with the organs. For example if your ferret ate 2 ounces for each meal and the frankenprey calls for an organ meal, he would not get that 2 ounces of organ in a grind. It would take several days of grind meals before he got that amount. I guess that is how they are figuring it. An animal being mostly muscle. The ideal animal 10% bone, !0% organ, 80% muscle. |
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Post by Sherry on Jan 12, 2020 10:38:32 GMT -5
Depending on how many meals of grinds you are doing(they are considered balanced) frankenprey is being balanced against the grinds.
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