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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 21:13:39 GMT -5
Okay so this is a widely talked about subject everywhere.
So I was in a discussion with someone last night on vaccinating. I was wondering is there a study on the percentage of a ferret getting distemper? Like non vaccinated ferret vs vaccinated ferret? What is the likely hood of the ferret getting and not getting distemper?
Does anyone know or have articles on this? I scoured the Internet but came empty handed on articles that grouped together ferrets in general getting distemper and the effects of getting it. No percentage no vaccinated vs non vaccinated.
Thanks in advance
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Post by Heather on Aug 8, 2016 1:11:11 GMT -5
Hmm, tricky question. It's a difficult answer without stepping into the fear mongering. A ferret that contracts distemper will die. A vaccinated ferret who gets distemper has a fighting chance but it's barely a chance. I believe the rate is that it has a 20% chance of surviving. What are the chances of getting the virus, depends on the area and if there's an outbreak. Distemper is a fragile virus, easily killed but it can travel on your clothes and shoes. It's hard to find true information that is objective, that isn't tainted that isn't opinion but it's out there ciao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 1:16:48 GMT -5
Hmm, tricky question. It's a difficult answer without stepping into the fear mongering. A ferret that contracts distemper will die. A vaccinated ferret who gets distemper has a fighting chance but it's barely a chance. I believe the rate is that it has a 20% chance of surviving. What are the chances of getting the virus, depends on the area and if there's an outbreak. Distemper is a fragile virus, easily killed but it can travel on your clothes and shoes. It's hard to find true information that is objective, that isn't tainted that isn't opinion but it's out there ciao Heather I have read your take on vaccinations. You have pointed out very valid points and would like to cite your sources for when discussions come into place. I wanted to know if you can give me some pointers or places I could read more about vaccinations and why people choose to not vaccinate.
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Post by Heather on Aug 8, 2016 3:11:35 GMT -5
Try reading some of the dog naturally articles on vaccines, they have some leads on some decent articles and they have some interesting downloads. A lot of my information died with my computer. I was on some anti-vaccine sites for a few years and a lot of my information came from those sites. I don't even know if they exist in an alternate form (before FB and TWitter and those type of groups). They were all run by homeopaths and naturalpaths (who were also vets) They had access to information that we do not, that access was granted to their limited membership. We do have a right to access to distemper and rabies outbreak information, same as we also have the right to access information about the actual numbers of heart worm outbreaks. I hope that helps you a little. I will see if I have other information in printed format that actually still has working links. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 3:32:50 GMT -5
It's called dog naturally? I will look into it. To be honest I am not against vaccines more on the lines of why other people view them as not good. I like to see it from all points of view and decide for myself. But I am having issues finding anything but articles that say to vaccinate.
I will be moving to texas next year and a very well recommended ferret vet in Colorado said she wasn't to keen on vaccinating. She said if I wanted to she would do it but she didn't see a necessity on it. Anyways what she told me is that texas is pretty prevalent with distemper and she recommended vaccinating if I lived there as an extra precaution. But didn't see a need in Colorado utah area. Especially since she has been a practicing vet for 18 years she has never had a ferret come in with distemper symptoms.
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Post by bitbyter on Aug 8, 2016 6:06:34 GMT -5
Generally, I think the first round of vaccination when they are young are worth it (a series done by YOU, not the mill as that one is worthless). A second round when they are older is debatable. Most U.S. states you have to do rabies as it's law and personally, I think the first round of distemper is worth it.
Yearly vaccinations that a lot of vets push are purely a money grab in my opinion. At most do a titer and only vaccinate if necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 10:31:49 GMT -5
Generally, I think the first round of vaccination when they are young are worth it (a series done by YOU, not the mill as that one is worthless). A second round when they are older is debatable. Most U.S. states you have to do rabies as it's law and personally, I think the first round of distemper is worth it. Yearly vaccinations that a lot of vets push are purely a money grab in my opinion. At most do a titer and only vaccinate if necessary. Isn't the general rule just one distemper shot? Like if my ferrets haven't been vaccinated since the marshalls one do I do two distemper shots each ferret or just one each ferret. I know the general rule is two one the first week and two weeks later the booster. But I have heard that one shot and no booster is fine because if the ferret isn't going to respond to the first one usually it won't respond for the second...
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Post by Heather on Aug 8, 2016 11:02:08 GMT -5
If you follow the minimalist format it involves one distemper and one rabies given at an optimal time. The theory is at 6 months of age you give 1 distemper. This allows the kit to be totally through with the mother's antibodies. Chances are if it's a Marshals product you could probably vaccinate sooner but 6 months allows for an almost adult ferret, that allows for a better antibody memory. The rabies vaccine would then be given 6 months later at a year. This will allow the antibodies to recover from not only the previous vaccine but the other toxic components of the vaccine. After this no further vaccine is needed. It is proven that both these vaccines still react up to 7 yrs after being administered that is in most cases the life of the ferret. One thing to always remember when vaccinating is never, ever vaccinate a sick animal and that includes chronic illnesses as they often affect how the immunity reacts to the injected virus. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 11:07:13 GMT -5
If I have two one year Olds that haven't had the distemper can I do it now and wait 6 months and then do the raw it's and still be covered?
Right I knew about not vaccinating a sick animal! Number one rule, the other number one rule is to not do multiple shots in one visit either.
So ferrets with insulinoma and adrenal shouldn't be vaccinated correct?
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Post by Aftershock on Aug 8, 2016 11:17:10 GMT -5
If you follow the minimalist format it involves one distemper and one rabies given at an optimal time. The theory is at 6 months of age you give 1 distemper. This allows the kit to be totally through with the mother's antibodies. Chances are if it's a Marshals product you could probably vaccinate sooner but 6 months allows for an almost adult ferret, that allows for a better antibody memory. The rabies vaccine would then be given 6 months later at a year. This will allow the antibodies to recover from not only the previous vaccine but the other toxic components of the vaccine. After this no further vaccine is needed. It is proven that both these vaccines still react up to 7 yrs after being administered that is in most cases the life of the ferret. One thing to always remember when vaccinating is never, ever vaccinate a sick animal and that includes chronic illnesses as they often affect how the immunity reacts to the injected virus. ciao I'm glad this thread got brought up, I was actually wondering about this the other day. My step mom has been pushing me to get their rabies shots asap, but I wasn't sure if I even wanted to get them the rabies vaccination because there hasn't been much outbreak where I'm at. I know ferrets can end up getting very bad reactions if vaccinated too much, so this point makes me feel much better! Thank you Heather!
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Post by abbeytheferret6 on Aug 8, 2016 12:47:32 GMT -5
Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/21446/vaccinate#ixzz4GlMVbR00To me rabies is the least of all diseases to worry about with inside ferrets---about the same chance as you or me getting rabies. Since ferrets have to be in contact with saliva of a rabid animal just like a human. If they lived outside, and it was possible for rabid animal to have contact thru fence---I would be worried. However if your ferret bit someone-and they wanted to report it, a 10 day quarantine or destroyed in my state. My vet's tech hounds me about this and I get reminder cards as if I am not concerned about my ferrets health:/ In NC they want a yearly rabies vaccination for ferrets--- while a 3 year for dogs My vet did have an incident while doing a dental cleaning on an unvaccinated ferret----something about the band that holds mouth open came loose or something another---don't know the procedure she was talking about, but canine came down on her and brought the blood and she had to call the law----quarantine 10 days for that ferret. I did give my annabelle a rabies shot when I first got her off craigslist because she was a biter, and I do go to vet to get their nails clipped, and i was worried she would bite the tech, but she is better than my senior.
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Post by crazylady on Aug 8, 2016 13:30:08 GMT -5
Hi All of my ferrets get one distemper shot and one only in there life ( we dont do rabies in uk) the reason I give them one shot is simple I may want to take that ferret working in open fields I dont know if any dogs have passed that way but the injection does not mean they wont catch it it simply means they might have a slight and it is a slight chance of recovery my cousin had a great dane he was up to date on all his shots for distemper and parvo virus but he died of parvo virus in less than a week ! vaccinations give a tiny bit cover but it is tiny vets may say otherwise but I stand by what I believe take care bye for now Bev
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Post by Aftershock on Aug 8, 2016 14:36:17 GMT -5
Read more: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/21446/vaccinate#ixzz4GlMVbR00To me rabies is the least of all diseases to worry about with inside ferrets---about the same chance as you or me getting rabies. Since ferrets have to be in contact with saliva of a rabid animal just like a human. If they lived outside, and it was possible for rabid animal to have contact thru fence---I would be worried. However if your ferret bit someone-and they wanted to report it, a 10 day quarantine or destroyed in my state. My vet's tech hounds me about this and I get reminder cards as if I am not concerned about my ferrets health:/ In NC they want a yearly vaccination for ferrets--- while a 3 year for dogs My vet did have an incident while doing a dental cleaning on an unvaccinated ferret----something about the band that holds mouth open came loose or something another---don't know the procedure she was talking about, but canine came down on her and brought the blood and she had to call the law----quarantine 10 days for that ferret. I did give my annabelle a rabies shot when I first got her off craigslist because she was a biter, and I do go to vet to get their nails clipped, and i was worried she would bite the tech, but she is better than my senior. That's what I told her (She also calls them rodents, and I've had to correct her a bunch of times. They aren't rodents, they eat rodents.). I take my boys outside about every week, but they don't live outside. I think my state is the same on the report, which is part of the reason my boys have only met select people. I make sure to explain that Croc is more likely to nip because he's deaf and touching him from behind with scare him, but neither have broken skin.
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Post by Blue on Aug 8, 2016 15:22:49 GMT -5
I thought the US had run out of ferret distemper shots, is that not true? They didn't have any available when I asked, but that was 2 years ago. Is an adult ferret distemper shot a one-time thing, or does it also need to be repeated?
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Post by Aftershock on Aug 8, 2016 15:32:32 GMT -5
I thought the US had run out of ferret distemper shots, is that not true? They didn't have any available when I asked, but that was 2 years ago. Is an adult ferret distemper shot a one-time thing, or does it also need to be repeated? I got my boys their distemper shots a few months ago. I'm not sure about the one time thing, from what I've read they want distemper and rabies every year, which I think is too much.
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