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Post by msav on Oct 23, 2015 17:31:23 GMT -5
I am not sure if you can use tube feeders with ferrets or not. That might be a solution. I would be afraid that I did not get the tube down the correct pipe.
If that could be done it would bypass the mouth entirely.
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Post by Sherry on Oct 24, 2015 2:11:51 GMT -5
While I drastically disagree with Lyles about the antibiotic effects of grape seed extract as compared to proper antibiotics- GSE is drastically different than grapes or raisins. There is a HUGE difference in extracts as in the entire fruit/leave/vegetable. The extract is the item concentrated 100 fold as an example. so while the natural fruit/veg does nothing- the extract can make a HUGE difference. Think of 1 part something as compared to 100 part the same item.
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Post by Klarissa on Oct 27, 2015 12:45:53 GMT -5
I think it's important not to overestimate the effectiveness of GSE as a natural antibiotic. I've linked a reputable summary of a study - I may be able to provide the whole study once I'm at my computer. However, it does note that GSE is as effective as *topical* antibiotics. It's also most effective on gram positive bacteria. So it is comparable to polysporin. Its far from being a reputable alternative to traditional antibiotics for internal infections. Especially, since there isn't a study to indicate its effectiveness when digested - digestive process could nullify it. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12165190
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Post by lyles on Oct 27, 2015 14:50:45 GMT -5
I think it's important not to overestimate the effectiveness of GSE as a natural antibiotic. I've linked a reputable summary of a study - I may be able to provide the whole study once I'm at my computer. However, it does note that GSE is as effective as *topical* antibiotics. It's also most effective on gram positive bacteria. So it is comparable to polysporin. Its far from being a reputable alternative to traditional antibiotics for internal infections. Especially, since there isn't a study to indicate its effectiveness when digested - digestive process could nullify it. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12165190I just know from personal experience it works so well. Just a few days ago, for example, both ferrets and I had a bad cold (they kiss each other in the mouth and kiss my mouth while I'm asleep so we're guaranteed so share everything [img src="http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/JW_2012/Emoticons/ .gif" src="http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/JW_2012/Emoticons/ .gif" src="http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/JW_2012/Emoticons/ .gif" style="max-width:100%;"] ). For me it doesn't matter if I get a cold or flu it always turns into a nasty sinus infection. It stung real bad but I dilute 2 drops of Maxium GSE into an 8oz glass of water and pipette 2tbps of it down my nose into the back of my throat, 2x a day. After 2 days the infection was completely gone and the cold is almost gone too (just some light mucus waking up). As for the ferrets I gave them 1Tbps of the dilute orally in the morning and evening and today their runny nose, sneezing and coughing are gone. Just an addition, GSE is awesome for getting rid of candida both orally and in the GI tract. It is also the ultimate mouth wash as it kills all the bacteria, including plaque in your mouth. After using it my mouth feels smooth and clean for days. Reason it works so well over conventional mouthwash is that unlike mouthwash, the GSE will absorb into the tissue, where bacteria will borrow to hide.
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Post by Klarissa on Oct 27, 2015 15:10:48 GMT -5
That's great, but entirely anecdotal, and far from being a legitimate reason to "never use antibiotics". I'm all for "natural" remedies where applicable however GSE is not a replacement for antibiotics. Moreover, recent research suggest that it is not the GSE itself, but a synthetic preservative called benzethonium chloride which has antibacterial properties. Other studies have show that GSE that are free from preservatives show no antibacterial efficacy. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17867553www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10399191www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16719494
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