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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 16:55:25 GMT -5
I have 2 New Kits both were on Marshalls at the store. I would like them to eat Raw. I have chicken, Chicken Gizzard and a couple Hearts and some liver.
I don't have Bone meal or crushed Egg shells (no eggs) but I can that stuff on thursday. Should I wait to start them on Rae on Thursday when I get those items or can they start soupy now without those.
Both are males how much should they eat a day. They were born July 19th.
I should mention I have chicken breast not bone in chicken
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 17:05:24 GMT -5
Congratulations! You now have tummies with teeth. They will eat alot. Ask gfountain who's little Minnie the Menace almost ate her out of house and home. You'll be fine for two day, give the soupie a try. Chicken breast is lean. When you go shopping pick up some chicken thighs. You won't use the bone just the meat. At night they will enjoy chicken wings left in their cage to gnaw on. You might need to smash it some first and help them get started. You can also put some gizzards in there. They are very young and you will easily move past the soupie stage and could probably skip it entirely for now. You want to learn about the Frankenprey diet and get them on a balanced menu plan. They are going to want to eat just about everything you give them, especially for the next few months. Pretty please, we would love to see baby pictures. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 19:53:01 GMT -5
Ok so Today we did our First soupractice My 2 Babies and the 2 Foster Babies I have all ate the soupy like crazy with chunks of meat in it. So here are my questions.
1. I have older Ferrets that will not eat the raw I have tried many times. Even if I try to hand feed nope they just spit it all over. So They eat the NV Instinct Raw boost. How do I cage them with my babies. If I have to leave kibble out the babies are gonna get in to it. From what I understand due to digestion rated they need to have at least 2 hours between kibble and Raw. I prefer them on just raw but I need kibble in there for the older ones.Do I have to cage the Raw feeders seperate forever?
2. How much do they eat they had a Huge bowl and they were fighting at the end to whom was gonna get the last bit...I reached in for the bowl and 2 of them bit me? I seperated the soupy into ice cube trays. How many cubes per baby? Daily?
3. Do I have to work about them stepping in it and climbing all over the cage. I don't want bacteria on all the fabric and all over them I don't want us getting sick from them having the raw meat all over them.
4. If I use a feeding Den do I get a use bin to put them in for feeding to save the cage or do I make it big enough for just the food to sit in and the ferrets eat out of it like a bowl?
5. I have Chicken Thighs, Breast, hearts and Liver and gizzards. I also have Beef chunks, beef liver and I can get Tongue. I don't have much other options beside those. I can get Turkey meat, necks and maybe chicken necks. I can also get CGH.
Is it ok to just use these things. (Everything balanced of course)
I have to get bone meal gonna stop for that tomorrow I used crushed Egg she'll tonight.
Sorry for the questions I've been reading through the newbie stuff but the getting sick from raw makes me nervous both me and my daughter have very compromised immune systems and we get sick easy.
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Post by Heather on Oct 14, 2015 21:11:20 GMT -5
How much to baby ferrets eat....lets see....I didn't see a gender but an adult gibb eats between 3 oz to 6 oz. A sprite eats between an once and 3 oz....baby eat that times 4 meals per day. Baby ferrets are furry tummies with teeth, they will eat everything and then some. The joke raw feeding breeders have is don't fall down in the kit room  Ice cubes.....in your wildest dreams lol. I hope you've got bags of those things Unfortunately, kits have no table manners and running around, stealing each others food and fighting and landing in the food bowl is just some of the fun of being a kit. Use a feeding den, this will help after all there is only 2 of them Don't worry about asking questions, we will try and answer them. I've been feeding raw for over 30 yrs and have not had an issue with any bacterial driven diseases but do not have a compromised immunity. That being said, follow standard raw food protocols and you should be fine. ciao |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:49:00 GMT -5
Ok went shopping today and we have a issue. We have only Walmart, price chopper and Tops where I live No independent Butcher in my area. NOONE carries Hearts. Brain, Pancreas etc. I found Tongue and Liver and Gizzard. I Baught 4 packages on Gizzards cause it said may contain heart hopi g to find some. But not a single one. What do I do. I have no idea where to get some. I'm afraid I will have to do Kibble in the am and Raw at night (seperate of course u til I can get heart because they won't get taurine) also couldn't get bone meal anywhere using eggs shells for now.
What do I do? Also is it ok to just use Pork, Beef and Chicken or Turkey. We don't have access to alot of lamb/rabbit/venison etc. For now I have soupy me but no hearts in there :-(
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:50:39 GMT -5
How much to baby ferrets eat....lets see....I didn't see a gender but an adult gibb eats between 3 oz to 6 oz. A sprite eats between an once and 3 oz....baby eat that times 4 meals per day. Baby ferrets are furry tummies with teeth, they will eat everything and then some. The joke raw feeding breeders have is don't fall down in the kit room Ice cubes.....in your wildest dreams lol. I hope you've got bags of those things Unfortunately, kits have no table manners and running around, stealing each others food and fighting and landing in the food bowl is just some of the fun of being a kit. Use a feeding den, this will help after all there is only 2 of them Don't worry about asking questions, we will try and answer them. I've been feeding raw for over 30 yrs and have not had an issue with any bacterial driven diseases but do not have a compromised immunity. That being said, follow standard raw food protocols and you should be fine. ciao Both are Males. Also I read somewhere on here to cube the soupy in ice cube trays so I can thaw out a couple at a time. Is that wrong for babies. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 17:21:43 GMT -5
I get duck hearts from Pekin Paradise online. I also get chicken hearts from farmers market. Check your area on google for farmer's markets. I call the farmers listed who sell chicken and ask to reserve me a bag or two of hearts. They r cheaper this way. Oh yes I have called Tyson, and told them I did not get any hearts---maybe one or two, and they sent me a check for what i paid. I can't remember if i gave the lady a number off receipt over the phone or what. It is false advertising. They r horrible. www.tysonfoods.com/contact-us.aspxHere are some contact numbers |
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Post by Heather on Oct 15, 2015 21:43:17 GMT -5
No, it's not a wrong method to set up for a baby's diet except that it's a lot of cubes to generate and most kits have no need for soupy...straight to full raw. The wee beasties aren't picky. They know they need food and calcium an lots of it
ciao
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Post by Klarissa on Oct 16, 2015 13:39:42 GMT -5
I'm immune comprised as well & I don't treat ferret raw food any different then I would handle raw meat that would be cooked for myself. Sanitize everything, twice, maybe thrice  I not only sanitize the counter, but also the tap, fridge door handle, exterior of the food containers, garbage can... Anything I could've touched with raw meaty hands. Usually I also sanitize the bathroom door handle & tap as well. At first I recommend making a list of all the things you need, making sure you have everything THEN start doing meal prep. I'm awful at starting, then forgetting everything with raw meat covered hands. To clean I use bleach & water in a spray bottle, and use paper towels to wipe with. Less bleach is actually more effective. When I wash ferret dishes I do them last. They have their own drying mat & if they need scrubbing I use a few pieces of paper towel folded up makes a pretty hardy, disposable wash cloth. I usually rinse the cutting board, knife, containers dishes --> Spray with bleach & sit for a few minutes --> Rinse with hot, hot, hot water --> Wash as per usual. |
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Post by raynebc on Oct 16, 2015 15:31:41 GMT -5
Foster Farms sells packages of just chicken hearts (no gizzards included), you could check with your local Walmart to see if they are willing to special order it for you. Make sure they understand you do not want the gizzard/heart mix, and that yes, they should check again because it exists. One of my local Fred Meyers often has it in stock.
Some specialty items like bone meal may never be available locally in small towns, but if you can shop online you can get pretty much anything you can imagine.
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Post by msav on Oct 17, 2015 19:10:30 GMT -5
chicken wings, CGH wings, your babies should start right off on those. Going with soup is like going backwards.
I would only do soup if they don't take to raw or don't care for liver and heart.
Beef tongue will work in place of heart until you can find a source.
Bone is very important to young ferrets. Is also good to build up their jaw strength.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 19:52:56 GMT -5
For health and safety purposes, I just bought the ferrets their own cutting board, cleaver and sets of plates. I keep those separate from ours. After using them then they go in the dishwasher for a cleaning and I wipe down the counters and their sponge goes in also.
The NV boost bites are freeze dried raw. Treat them like raw but add some water to them.
The theory is that kibble and raw digest at different rates because kibble is dry and raw is wet.
So, if your FDR is wet then it should be fine.
The only issue is that your babies will eat it and they may like it enough to fill up on it and then not need their food. But Tummies with Teeth eat enough so that is not likely going to be a problem.
I fell for those gizzards/heart packages also. That's just wrong of them.
Google Find Asian Market near your location and check out a few.
If you want to pm me your general location and how far you are willing to drive, I'll look for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 18:22:12 GMT -5
What about Beef or venison heart? Can I get a big one and cut it into pieces?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 18:34:18 GMT -5
Ok so if I order from Pekin Paradise it's 2 lbs for $14 it's like 50 hearts. My question is In a week. How many would I use. I have 3 babies right now to feed. If I don't do soup how many oz of Liver heart, and Gizzards do I use. I know it's muscle meat. 1.5 meals need to be heart but how much heart each meal. Does that make sense. They will eat the meat whole I don't need the soupie. I have to buy some chicken wings those I did find in the store so I can start with bone in. Just want to make sure they are getting what they need. Also will they always need to be cage seperate from my kibble fed ferrets because kibble is always available in there. (Just to note the are my 4 ferrets that I cannot get to eat Raw have tried many times)
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Post by raynebc on Oct 23, 2015 1:58:53 GMT -5
You'll need to get a bearing on how much food they're currently eating, ie. weigh their meals and then the amount of leftovers when it's time for next meal. This should give you an idea of how much you need to prep for each meal. When they transition off soup and onto larger pieces of meat they very well may eat less since they have to put more effort into it.
Beef and venison heart is perfectly fine as long as the ferrets eat it without problems. I use beef heart all the time, and just cut it into portions and freeze them until I thaw one (in the fridge) the day before I feed it.
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