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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 13:17:36 GMT -5
has anybody read this page on holstic adrenal management using DIMesion3 product for balancing/eliminating estrogen and transfer factor plus for immune system and a pinch of msm to the drinking water which is making my ferret farahs hair grow back....my Question is.... is anyone familiar with this treatment and how much dosage do you give the ferret of the diminsion3 and transfer product daily??? www.all-about-ferrets.com/thechocandblancshow.html
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lefertmama
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6 Fuzzies, yup gotta love Ferret Math!
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Post by lefertmama on Mar 14, 2015 12:20:25 GMT -5
I read about this and havn't heard to much more about it, I have the same sort of questions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 12:39:30 GMT -5
I think im gonna end up going with the desilorin for my girl.....great benefit from it....reverses all the symptoms....last about a year and dissolves which is great!!!!
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Post by raynebc on Mar 16, 2015 13:21:27 GMT -5
Many people on the forum find that the implant doesn't really last a full year, more along the lines of 6-9 months to treat confirmed cases of adrenal disease. I think people using it as a preventative measure stretch it out longer, perhaps to a full year, to slow the onset of the disease.
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Post by Heather on Mar 16, 2015 13:30:58 GMT -5
If using for adrenal, renew every 6 months. I'm jumping for joy, just talked to my vet's office and I've got my order in ....YES. There is nothing on the market that works as good as the DES for adrenal ciao
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 11:18:25 GMT -5
is there any good naturopath exotic vets in phx???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 13:03:36 GMT -5
I still wanna look into using the supplements to help treat the adrenal disease just not sure about using it while shes on DES
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 11:30:14 GMT -5
heather I was wondering if you have had any side effect issues with des because my girl seemed disoriented and lathargic a little bit on and off these last few days.....just curious, also I wanted your opinion on the raw feeding again because the vet that gave farah her des last friday advised against raw due to salmonella and recommended cat food..... I was shocked and told her that cat food is at the bottom of the food chart...my thoughts are why is she telling me to do the opposite of what ive been hearing and reading this whole time??? -confused
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Post by bitbyter on Mar 31, 2015 11:58:11 GMT -5
Because vets are NOT experienced with Ferrets and a not trained in nutrition.
About the DES and how your ferret is acting? Has she been checked for Insulinoma? Adrenal disease commonly masks insulinoma and when they get the DES it can reveal that they also have it as well.
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Post by Heather on Mar 31, 2015 13:20:18 GMT -5
I would be getting a BG done just to rule out the possibility of insulinoma. As Jason said, unfortunately, adrenal can and does mask the symptoms of insulinoma (it works the other way too). Once the DES starts working on the adrenal the secondary disease (in this case possibly insulinoma) rears it's ugly head. It's always been there but the ferret has been better at masking those symptoms. I've never had much of a side effect from the DES except a bit of lethargy just after (finished within 48 hrs.) The other issue is that some ferrets have had an allergy to the implant (this is always a possibility). This is extremely rare so I would be getting her BG done first and then seeing where that leads you. As far as diet, I've talked with enough vets who've confessed that despite their many years of education the one thing that is basically "passed" over is diet. Most admit that their dietary courses (which amount to only about 7 hrs total) is taught by Hills on how to use their various supplementary and prescription diets. Some vets go out of their way and take "extra" courses that are available for dietary needs of various pets that come into their practice but very few do this. It's much easier to go with what they learned in school ciao
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:03:27 GMT -5
thank you greatly both of you....it does appear the lethargy is just the past couple days after the implant... also what does bg stand for....blood graph?
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Post by katt on Mar 31, 2015 14:20:23 GMT -5
Blood Glucose. Low blood glucose in ferrets is a sign of insulinoma. It can cause lethargy, weakness, disorientation, hind limb weakness/paralysis, seizures, and eventually death. If she does have insulinoma, she will need her BG carefully controlled through diet (raw diet, frequent feedings) and prednisolone. Insulinoma is not curable, but many can live a year or sometimes more with good treatment and careful BG control. Normal ferret fasting BG should be 90 or higher, 70-90 is borderline, anything 70 or below is diagnostic of insulinoma. How insulinoma works: holisticferret60.proboards.com/thread/16664/insulinoma-worksInsulinoma stickies: holisticferret60.proboards.com/board/30/insulinoma
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:38:15 GMT -5
She has had hind legs failing at times falling down.... also to make things more challenging shes got a cataract in one eye yet seems totally blind.... but she runs around acting like she knows where everything is...so she is mobile majority of the time but still falls once in awhile... if she is low on sugar is giving her ferretone vitamins boost her sugar???...should I start her on the soupies right away to help in general???.....so many questions now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:43:33 GMT -5
both her and my male eat zupreem premium and 8-1 advanced nutrition soft bites and I add wysong digestive support like 1/5 of the total food to their bowls...hoping this helps..I really would like to just feed the digestive along with raw only is my goal or eventually just raw...
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Post by katt on Mar 31, 2015 17:14:25 GMT -5
Yikes, I would definitely get her in for a BG check ASAP. If she is insulinomic, the sooner you can figure it out and get her BG under control the better. I would also suggest feeding her every 4-6 hours. She should always have food available of course, but ensuring that she actually eats at regular intervals will help keep her BG levels more stable and reduce symptoms and risk of a crash. If you are going to switch, I would certainly try to get her switched to raw as soon as possible as that can go a long way towards controlling her blood glucose and reducing further damage/strain to her pancreas. Switching a fuzz with insu can be tricky because it is absolutely vital that they eat regularly, BUT don't feel discouraged - it is very doable! I would suggest signing up for a mentor and then setting up a switching thread in our Diet Transitions board. Unfortunately the wait list for a mentor is a bit long at the moment (but we are working in training several new mentors (dance) ), but if you set up a thread in Diet Transitions while you wait for a one on one mentor, you will get input from all of the mentors and other members and can get the switch going earlier for your baby.
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