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Post by Desiree on Feb 23, 2015 13:25:11 GMT -5
Yes they go through a teething phase. I think raw feeding really helps with that though. @elenners had some trouble with her kit, Elwood, chewing on everything when he started teething. He hadn't been switched to raw. My little girl Arbor is very mouthy but tends to chew on plastic, her tunnel, a plastic water bottle etc. We make sure nothing has cracked of course. That's perfect, I would start her on a weekly menu personally. Just give her two meals a day about 12 hours apart. This way she isn't getting some bone, some organ, some heart etc in a day. This will also tell you how much she is eating per meal and you can calculate how much organs and heart she needs for the week. Remember, liver can be overdosed on and cause vitamin A toxicity. The way to calculate it. Is that depending on how many ounces she is eating in a day, you take 5% for liver, 5% other organ (pancreas, brain, ovaries, testicles, spleen and kidney all work) and then 10% heart So if she is eating 5 ozs a day, 2.5 ozs a meal and she is getting 14 meals, this is 35 ozs. this means she should get 3.5 oxs of heart a week. You can make one meal of heart, which would be 2.5 ozs and then add the extra 1 oz heart to her half organ meal day. she should also be getting 1.75 liver and 1.75oz of other organs. I would do a meal with the heart (1 oz) as .75 oz liver and .75 oz other organ and then a 2 ounce organ meal and this is where I would add some gizzards and such to make the meal a complete 2.5 ozs. The numbers are going to change depending on how much she eats but this will give you an idea on how to calculate her needs. Senior Members and Mentors, correct my math if I am wrong.
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Post by linsul on Feb 23, 2015 13:37:33 GMT -5
For sure Desiree I will get her on a weekly plan when I have my scale and can accurately measure out what I'm doing. Right now I'm just trying to rotate through everything I have, make sure she has food available constantly since she's so little, and introduce her to new foods. I do my best not to repeat a meal consecutively to avoid overload. I do have kidney, liver, heart, muscle, bone-in meat and eggshell. We're in the middle of a winter ice storm here so the delivery may be late, but as soon as it gets here the weekly plan is on!
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Post by Desiree on Feb 23, 2015 14:10:00 GMT -5
Because she is so little I would avoid doing too much organs until you get a scale. She will be fine for a week with just muscle meat and bone in. A week is not long enough to cause any deficiencies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 14:28:27 GMT -5
Elwood was chewing the ramp covers when I got the CN, I realized it's because he's a waardy and he was stressed about a cage change. I have become really in tune to him, he's so smart and he tries to communicate what he wants to me in so many different ways.
/ramble anyway! Teething is normal for kits, all of mine were very nibbly to my hands like puppies and a few weeks later were fine.
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Post by linsul on Feb 23, 2015 15:40:05 GMT -5
She's trying her ground beef now, she keeps circling it like she wants to eat it but it might bite her. I tried hand feeding her some, she'd chew on it and spit it out. Very playful right now, I put it in with her in the cage about 15 min ago to let her sort it out on her own for a bit. We'll play and then see how she feels about it after.
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Post by linsul on Feb 23, 2015 22:58:18 GMT -5
She picked at the beef so I hand fed her under much protest. Then my husband held her so I could feed her and she melted and ate up. It was cute, she fell asleep on him today after playing this afternoon right under his chin but he didn't move or yell to tell me because he didn't want to wake her up! He just messed around online in bed with the tablet with her under his chin! I've seen her play with him and try to play bite but he used to have monitor lizards growing up so he's worked some kind of lower jaw magic when it happens. He says he grabs her right back where she can't bite and she's given up, now she's merely a licker. I'll have to try that.
Going to give her beef again tomorrow, she's so close to just eating it. I figure if I don't giver her the chicken she wants right away she might cave. Actually I'll probably put it in her cage before I go to bed so if she wakes up like last night she has something. It's refrigerated so I'm not worried, unless I should be?
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Post by Desiree on Feb 24, 2015 10:37:37 GMT -5
Nope your good. It can probably stay good in the fridge for a few days. Just take a out less pieces and offer that. Then when finishes give her more.
Have you tried running some pieces under warm water? It helps release the smells.
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Post by linsul on Feb 24, 2015 13:22:49 GMT -5
No but I will try it since she's not eating it. I hand fed her some earlier so I'll try it after she runs around a bit.
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Post by Blue on Feb 24, 2015 15:47:14 GMT -5
Remember, liver can be overdosed on and cause vitamin A toxicity. So is that why it's 5% liver, 5% other organ? Or is it just because variety is good? Sorry for butting into your thread, linsul. I love hearing about Kat and seeing the adorable pictures! (And I was a BG fan so I know her namesake!)
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Post by linsul on Feb 24, 2015 16:01:22 GMT -5
Absolutely no problem Blue, butt in all you like Props to you for your fandom, I LOVE that show! Kat is still half heartedly licking the beef with a couple chomps. I tried warming it, she was still meh. I made a sad soupie (no blender, just a rough forking) of the beef with warm water and a little salmon oil. She's just discovered she loves salmon oil, but no dice still. I tried putting it directly on some teeny beef balls but she just licked them and ate what she did by accident. A minor stuffing ensued. I left it in her cage to munch. She's gotta be hungry, she was playing around for 3 hours straight! Bone in wingettes later tonight.
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Post by linsul on Feb 24, 2015 18:13:06 GMT -5
It's here! Kat is indeed a little piggy kit I measure all the baggies I have currently (about the same) and it came out to between 3.2 and 3.6 ounces twice a day! She doesn't always eat all of it but she's definitely not starving. Cracking away on bones currently. I'll have to weigh her when she's asleep or something, too wiggly currently.
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Post by Desiree on Feb 24, 2015 20:23:20 GMT -5
Remember, liver can be overdosed on and cause vitamin A toxicity. So is that why it's 5% liver, 5% other organ? Or is it just because variety is good? Sorry for butting into your thread, linsul. I love hearing about Kat and seeing the adorable pictures! (And I was a BG fan so I know her namesake!) Yes that is why it is 5% liver 5% other. Variety is great too and they need vitamin a but you do not want to overdose on it either. Yep sounds about right. They eat a ton.
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Post by Blue on Feb 24, 2015 21:46:13 GMT -5
So is that why it's 5% liver, 5% other organ? Or is it just because variety is good? Yes that is why it is 5% liver 5% other. Variety is great too and they need vitamin a but you do not want to overdose on it either. Ahhh, thanks! It's beginning to make sense, this maze of obscure rules
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Post by linsul on Feb 25, 2015 11:40:13 GMT -5
She ate her wingettes last night and put her bones in the water dish lol. I know she eats some of them but if they're too big I guess into the water they go! I changed the water out, and early this morning heard her crunching away on one so she must be stashing her favorites somewhere.
Gave her an ounce of kidney with a quarter of liver slivers this morning. She's still not a fan and becoming quite good at spitting out what I feed her. she climbed up on my shoulder during a feeding break and was licking my ear, husband asked if she'd bit me because he saw blood. Turns out she had "licked" her liver right out onto my ear. Stinker. Put salmon oil on the rest and left her to it, a little bit of it is gone but not much. Since I can't feed her multiple organ meals I'm going to let hunger work any magic to be had for awhile before trying CGH later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 11:46:38 GMT -5
Remember, liver can be overdosed on and cause vitamin A toxicity. So is that why it's 5% liver, 5% other organ? Or is it just because variety is good? Sorry for butting into your thread, linsul. I love hearing about Kat and seeing the adorable pictures! (And I was a BG fan so I know her namesake!) We do watch the amount of liver because of the Vitamin A toxicity. Frankenprey is designed to mimic eating whole prey. So, if you think about them catching a mouse in the wild, and then eating it all, they are eating bone/muscle meat and organs are a small part of the animal. We use variety because different animals offer different nutrients. Red meat for example is full of vitamin b and iron. Heart (and tongue) provides Taurine. Taurine is absolutely essential to ferrets. They need more than cats do. Taurine is found in any muscle that moves. Heart and tongue have the most taurine and that's why we use heart. Taurine is water soluable and doesn't store up in their system.
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