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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 18:28:32 GMT -5
As you all know Loki had her right bottom molar removed on the 23rd. both her top and bottom jaw are abscessed. She is on pain meds til tomorrow and antibiotics for 25 more days. The vet said her fur is dry (i disagree she just got done shedding and is still growing on her new coat) and her spleen is enlarged. Both indicate adrenal she says. However sometimes Loki has these dry coughs. I looked in my animal planet book and it said nothing about enlarged spleen indicating adrenal....It says lymphoma which I have been suspecting... What should I do I know my mom will help her but we just spent $277 and I owe my mom $145. I don't have a job yet because I don't have my DL (going to get it 15th) So it will be another month or so before I have my own income. I hate asking for help I'm almost 24 but it makes me feel 12. Sent from my SCH-M828C using ProBoards
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 18:36:40 GMT -5
Im sorry about loki. Hope you and the vet can get this figured out too.
It sucks borrowing money from our parents. I had to the other day too because i lost my job a few months ago.
Keep on trying though! Thats all you can do right now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 18:43:59 GMT -5
Enlarged spleen doesn't automatically mean lymphoma! Many ferrets have enlarged spleens and it's a bit of a mystery why... It's not something that can be used as a single symptom to diagnose anything. It's much more likely it's related to the abscesses, which you're fixing.
A vet that's overeager to proclaim adrenal disease... isn't that different from what we've been hearing lately! If it's just the "dry" coat and enlarged spleen, that doesn't seem definite to me. If you think you'll have the income for something like lupron or des in a couple months, I guess I'd wait and see how she is then. Keep track of her coat changes and muscle tone and behavior in the meantime.
My former albino Trick had one of his canines abscessed that had to be pulled. I was so worried about him I could barely stand to let him sleep the anesthesia off! He recovered with no problems at all. Good luck to Loki!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 18:51:36 GMT -5
She explored my bedroom a little today since surgery. She is asleep in my nightstand drawer with Mr. Bean in a blankie. How long did it take before you're guy was "normal" again and would play?
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Post by Heather on Feb 26, 2012 19:21:29 GMT -5
Napoleon slept more for a few days as the pain meds did their job and the antibiotics did theirs. Remember the pain meds will keep her very calm and moderately sedated. An enlarged spleen can happen when a ferret is dealing with toxins (abscessed tooth in this case). You may actually see a decrease in size once all the toxins start to leave her body. Remember, toxins will include; abscess and it's poisons, whatever anaesthetics that were used, the pain medications and finally the antibiotics themselves. Is the spleen huge?or just enlarged? Some ferrets as they age seem to get an enlarged spleen. It doesn't mean they're adrenal. Lady "B" and Sprite are both adrenals and they don't have enlarged spleens. Captain Jack who was adrenal never did get an enlarged spleen. Nicodemus, who was adrenal did have an enlarged spleen but was diagnosed on his patchy coat loss and enlarged prostate. Now, Napoleon who had tooth issues did have enlarged spleen, it went down about 3 months or so after his extraction. As far as a lymphomas.....it could be but then it may not be either....it's not what I would call a notable sign. Yes, all my lymphomas brats had enlarged spleens but they were just ones of many. I don't know why the vet was suggesting adrenal from those symptoms...I would want to see more defined symptoms. I would treat the tooth and it's resulting infection and wait and see if there are more tell-tale signs of adrenal. ciao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 19:43:51 GMT -5
Dry fur and enlarged spleen both can have many causes. A really experienced vet will look at the skin (NOT the fur) for signs of adrenal.
Enlarged spleens are very poorly understood. In some cases, and enlarge spleen is believed to be associated with a smoldering infection, such as from the tooth problem you're dealing with. Some vets believe that the spleen can at like a reservoir for holding blood . If the animal needs to expend a huge amount of energy, the spleen can release the blood int the system thus oxygenating the cells in support of a fight/flight response. Perhaps when an animal is a little "off", and energy levels are thus lower, the spleen begins storing blood because the body id not capable o sustaining normal energy levels required for defense.
Take everything one day at a time. Get through the tooth thing, and see how your little one is doing thereafter.
-jennifer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 21:33:29 GMT -5
Thank you Jenn that makes perfect sense. I don't like this vet they usually see Dr. Jones but he wasn't there. Dr. Jones is more understanding and more knowledgeable. I was surprised she said nothing of her skin which is normal healthy skin. Eva's was severly dry and flaky along with a rough dry coat and a lack of undercoat. Hers is not she probably just needs a little more fat in her diet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 21:37:55 GMT -5
I've had adrenal ferrets with enlarged spleens and adrenal ferrets without, so it's definately not a be-all end-all symptom for adrenal. That being said, all my kids with enlarged spleens DID become adrenal, so there's that. I've yet to experience lymphoma with my kids (KNOCK ON WOOD) although it will eventually be an inevitability, so I can't really comment on that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 21:44:08 GMT -5
Heather I missed your post that was also very helpful. Its not that incredibly big and I notice it's bigger when she first wakes up and seems to get a little smaller when she's puddling around.
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Post by Sherry on Feb 26, 2012 23:09:52 GMT -5
The vet probably mentioned adrenal based pretty much on her age and connected that with the spleen issue. Personally I've always been told with an enlarged spleen to first look for infection
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 1:06:08 GMT -5
Thats what I thought based on my research and reading other peoples past experience. She was just trying to milk me into doing that stupid $70 panel on top of the stupid $60 office fee.
She was a lot more active before surgery and till bout 2 days before still played a little. I think the infection and meds just has her all out of wack. She's never been sick before ever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2012 15:25:40 GMT -5
I woke up to give oki poki her meds....picked her up...and....I think her spleen is almost back to normal! Tonight is her last dose of pain meds so hopefully she will start to play again soon or at least stay awake longer.
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Post by Heather on Feb 27, 2012 15:50:06 GMT -5
That's great news ciao
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